Allegra Kirkland, reporter for Talking Points Memo, and Betsi Fores, Editor-at-Large for Rare Politics, discuss the Trump administration's latest rhetoric on the border wall. After threatening a government shutdown if he was not granted money from Congress for the wall, White House officials doubled down on the president's comments. We talk about how much of what Trump says is what he really feels, versus intended to satisfy his base. We also discuss the debt ceiling and what it means for Trump politically if he shuts down the government, putting American jobs at risk. And is General John Kelly having an effect on Trump's behavior? Our hosts and guests note that based on his Twitter behavior, Trump still feels like the same ol' Trump.