BAKER MACHADO: [MUSIC] Welcome back guys, to Cheddar brought to you of course, by HP.
BAKER MACHADO: Earlier today, I spoke with the co-creators of Netflix's hit series 'Stranger Things'.
BAKER MACHADO: The Duffer Brothers, had some very interesting things to
BAKER MACHADO: say about Season Two coming up on Friday, take a look.
BAKER MACHADO: In a highly anticipated second season of Stranger Things,
BAKER MACHADO: is coming to Netflix this Friday.
BAKER MACHADO: So, if you aren't caught up on the streaming services hottest shows,
BAKER MACHADO: or you need a big refresher,
BAKER MACHADO: you have less than three days actually,
BAKER MACHADO: get your fix and get all caught up.
BAKER MACHADO: We might be able to help you get caught up.
BAKER MACHADO: We're joined by the creators of the series,
BAKER MACHADO: Matt and Ross Duffer,
BAKER MACHADO: also known as the Duffer Brothers.
BAKER MACHADO: Guys, such a pleasure to have you on.
BAKER MACHADO: Very excited for Friday for the Season Two of uh, Stranger Things.
BAKER MACHADO: So, let's get straight to it. What can everybody expect from the new season?
MATT DUFFER: [NOISE] [LAUGHTER] I don't know, I hate to put
MATT DUFFER: any more expectations on, you know, maybe on the show.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, I, I don't know, I mean,
MATT DUFFER: I think it's uh- I think if you liked uh, you know,
MATT DUFFER: if you liked the first season, um,
MATT DUFFER: that you'll like, you know, you'll like the second one.
BAKER MACHADO: Okay.
MATT DUFFER: [OVERLAPPING] Um I think it,
MATT DUFFER: it's is a little bit bigger.
MATT DUFFER: It's a little bit darker,
MATT DUFFER: um, um, a little bit more, you know, ambitious.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, we took some big swings with it,
MATT DUFFER: um, and we just had a lot of fun with it.
MATT DUFFER: And uh, the cast, uh, you know,
MATT DUFFER: it is an amazing cast and kids and I think they're even better this year.
BAKER MACHADO: But I've also heard the like, well, you know,
BAKER MACHADO: the monster in this particular season is the greatest we've ever seen.
BAKER MACHADO: One that might even potentially span multiple seasons.
ROSS DUFFER: Well, in that, part of the goal with this season was to set up,
ROSS DUFFER: um, an antagonist that could last through,
ROSS DUFFER: yeah, more than, more than one season.
ROSS DUFFER: So, that's, that's what we're, that's what we're looking at.
ROSS DUFFER: So, it's really laying the groundwork for a multiple season arc.
BAKER MACHADO: Okay. So, Matt, this has been a cultural phenomenon that this show has basically created.
BAKER MACHADO: Now, we have, you know, clothing lines based off of this.
BAKER MACHADO: We have Super Bowl commercials
BAKER MACHADO: based off of this. I [OVERLAPPING] guess, for either of you guys.
BAKER MACHADO: Were you guys surprised at the amount of love,
BAKER MACHADO: attention and affection that fans have been drawn to this show?
MATT DUFFER: Um, I was totally expecting it. No I'm not- [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING]
BAKER MACHADO: Of course, you were.
MATT DUFFER: [LAUGHTER] No. Of course, no. It's shocking.
MATT DUFFER: It's still shocking.
MATT DUFFER: But, um, you know, it's, it's really weird.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, it's a very, like we made season one.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, uh, you don't know if everyone is going to watch it.
MATT DUFFER: Um, so, you're just trying to make something that you,
MATT DUFFER: you like and everyone involved in the show,
MATT DUFFER: you know, was really passionate about it.
MATT DUFFER: But it was it, it felt like a really small intimate group
MATT DUFFER: of people were making season one.
MATT DUFFER: And, you know, for the most part,
MATT DUFFER: it still felt that way when we were doing season two.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, even like Netflix that we were dealing with, you know,
MATT DUFFER: we talked to like three people here,
MATT DUFFER: you know, on a regular basis and that's it.
MATT DUFFER: And I think so, um,
MATT DUFFER: it's feels like a very personal project in a way,
MATT DUFFER: even though now it has, you know,
MATT DUFFER: sort of expectations that come with it.
BAKER MACHADO: But why would do people resonate with it so much?
BAKER MACHADO: Do you think it's the 80's nostalgia [OVERLAPPING]?
BAKER MACHADO: Do you think it's the music? Do you think it's the fact that we all love Winona Ryder?
BAKER MACHADO: What is it? Why do we like this show so much?
MATT DUFFER: I don't know.
ROSS DUFFER: I mean, for me, only for us, at least,
ROSS DUFFER: what we we're yearning for was a type of storytelling will never went back,
ROSS DUFFER: and stuff that made us want to do this in the first place,
ROSS DUFFER: which is, very ordinary people that you can relate to.
ROSS DUFFER: Whether, you know, it's, you know,
ROSS DUFFER: these kids or the teenagers or, or the parents.
ROSS DUFFER: These are people that you recognize in your daily life,
ROSS DUFFER: and you see yourself in them.
ROSS DUFFER: And then, they're having to come together in
ROSS DUFFER: these extraordinary circumstances to essentially save the world.
ROSS DUFFER: They're not superheroes.
ROSS DUFFER: They're normal people that, um,
ROSS DUFFER: have to work together to do this incredible thing.
ROSS DUFFER: And, so, when I was young, when I saw people on screen that I recognize in myself,
ROSS DUFFER: it made me feel like I was part of the adventure.
ROSS DUFFER: And, I mean is that, that's the kind of storytelling that
ROSS DUFFER: we're trying to harken back here.
BAKER MACHADO: Um, when, is Barb going to be in the second season?
BAKER MACHADO: [LAUGHTER] What ever happened to [OVERLAPPING] Barb,
BAKER MACHADO: and are you guys surprised that everybody cared so much about Barb?
ROSS DUFFER: Yeah, which is twenty five lines. Uh, so, yeah, We were surprised.I mean,
ROSS DUFFER: I loved Shannon Purser who played Barb. She's great.
ROSS DUFFER: But yeah, we were definitely not expecting Barb phenomenon.
ROSS DUFFER: She is dead, sadly.
ROSS DUFFER: I have to keep saying that over and over here,
ROSS DUFFER: which very [OVERLAPPING] much dead.
MATT DUFFER: People are in denial about it.
ROSS DUFFER: There is no Barb flat backs. She's dead.
ROSS DUFFER: We do deal [OVERLAPPING] with her and what happened to her.
ROSS DUFFER: But, um, but unfortunately, Barb is gone.
MATT DUFFER: But, yeah, what ha, what,
MATT DUFFER: what did happen to her does resonate through, um, Season Two.
MATT DUFFER: So, you know, [OVERLAPPING] she has not been forgotten, if you're a fan of hers.
BAKER MACHADO: Okay. Good [NOISE]. So, we will get some Barb closure,
BAKER MACHADO: because I definitely don't know yet [OVERLAPPING]?
BAKER MACHADO: But do you guys,but do you guys think that Stranger Things,
BAKER MACHADO: is this kind of only,
BAKER MACHADO: you know, positioned on these kids?
BAKER MACHADO: You only want to tell the story about what's happening,
BAKER MACHADO: and, you know, this town, with these kids.
BAKER MACHADO: Or do you think that this show Stranger Things could
BAKER MACHADO: branch out and be, you know, a franchise?
BAKER MACHADO: Because, we see Game of Thrones and the success that it has had.
BAKER MACHADO: [OVERLAPPING] It's going to get spin-offs.
BAKER MACHADO: We see the spin-offs with the walking dead.
BAKER MACHADO: Do you feel like Stranger Things could essentially have the same thing,
BAKER MACHADO: or do you guys like to keep it with the storyline that it already has [LAUGHTER]?
MATT DUFFER: Um, right now, we're just [NOISE]
MATT DUFFER: focusing. I mean, we've talked about like, other stuff for maybe ten minutes.
MATT DUFFER: And then, and, you know,
MATT DUFFER: Netflix has been really good about not pressuring us about it.
MATT DUFFER: And so, I mean,
MATT DUFFER: I think that a lot of times what happened with studios and networks and stuff is,
MATT DUFFER: you can get ahead of yourself.
MATT DUFFER: And I think, so, because right now the focus is entirely on just making,
MATT DUFFER: you know, just to make a good second season, um, and then,
MATT DUFFER: hopefully, make a good, uh,
MATT DUFFER: make a good third season.
MATT DUFFER: And, uh, beyond that,
MATT DUFFER: it's incredibly murky to me.
MATT DUFFER: Um, but, um, I, I don't know, I mean, it's just, it's not, it not,
MATT DUFFER: It's not like Game of Thrones or Star Wars [NOISE] in the sense that this is a brand new,
MATT DUFFER: you know, universe with hundreds of stories to tell.
MATT DUFFER: You know, so, It's very, it's very different than some of those properties so.
MATT DUFFER: And by that, you know, Game of Throne has seven season,
MATT DUFFER: we're still on two, we're still very, very young. [NOISE]
BAKER MACHADO: [OVERLAPPING] Right. And wha.
BAKER MACHADO: And it's important to note you just said, you know, you guys,
BAKER MACHADO: you guys are going to have a third season of
BAKER MACHADO: this show which is really important for a lot of people,
BAKER MACHADO: if you know, in terms of figuring out the storyline of the show.
BAKER MACHADO: So, how many seasons [OVERLAPPING] do you think this, you guys,
BAKER MACHADO: can tell their story with these kids in this setting in the 80's?
BAKER MACHADO: Is that something that you guys think can be a three,
BAKER MACHADO: or four, or five season thing?
BAKER MACHADO: Or is it something that you need to keep it shorter?
ROSS DUFFER: Um, I think, well, it's certainly not going to be something like seven seasons.
ROSS DUFFER: I mean, it's certainly, we, will be more than three,
ROSS DUFFER: um, but we don't really know beyond that.
ROSS DUFFER: I mean, it really once we start telling this, the story,
ROSS DUFFER: the changes, um, dramatically,
ROSS DUFFER: as we start writing the script.
ROSS DUFFER: So, it's hard to know to really get in there.
ROSS DUFFER: But, um, we're trying not to overstay our welcome.
ROSS DUFFER: [LAUGHTER] Uh, you know,
ROSS DUFFER: there's only so much time that I believe something
ROSS DUFFER: terrible can happen in this town and these kids [LAUGHTER] it's,
ROSS DUFFER: uh, [inaudible 00:06:23] Visually, there's just going to be like, you know what,
ROSS DUFFER: I've done with the town of Hawkins and [OVERLAPPING].
MATT DUFFER: I mean, it's more,
MATT DUFFER: like it is in a way a lot more,
MATT DUFFER: like a big movie than it's like a TV show.
MATT DUFFER: And so, it's not necessarily build to sustain,
MATT DUFFER: um, that many seasons [OVERLAPPING] and so.
MATT DUFFER: Regardless of how successful it is.
MATT DUFFER: Well, you don't, you know, the worst thing we can do to the show is to,
MATT DUFFER: you know, um, keep doing it when we're not passionate about it,
MATT DUFFER: it really has no reason to exist anymore.
BAKER MACHADO: Totally [OVERLAPPING] Um, I'm glad you guys
BAKER MACHADO: brought up the idea of how many times
BAKER MACHADO: something bad can happen in this town of Hawkins because,
BAKER MACHADO: we keep talking about like,
BAKER MACHADO: how many bad days could Jack Bauer have,
BAKER MACHADO: he can have 15 seasons of
BAKER MACHADO: that show at least you got [OVERLAPPING] to get through like we got to move,
BAKER MACHADO: something crazy is happening here [OVERLAPPING].
MATT DUFFER: We got a business, but sadly we got to move. [LAUGHTER]
BAKER MACHADO: Ah, but let's talk about the pitch process.
BAKER MACHADO: I mean, you guys had said you were as surprised as anybody at the success of the show.
BAKER MACHADO: Did you guys pitched this to other networks?
BAKER MACHADO: And what was it about Netflix that they were like,
BAKER MACHADO: We got to have this. This is amazing.
ROSS DUFFER: Ah, the weird thing is we,
ROSS DUFFER: we were not very,
ROSS DUFFER: we weren't very established at all and especially in the TV space.
ROSS DUFFER: And so, we weren't even going out to networks.
ROSS DUFFER: We were going to studios which can help us get
ROSS DUFFER: a network and then somehow Netflix caught wind of it and just snatched that up.
ROSS DUFFER: So, we weren't even confident that we can sell at any net- network much less,
ROSS DUFFER: someplace like, Netflix, which was, you know.
ROSS DUFFER: At that time, you know, they were,
ROSS DUFFER: they're producing a lot more now, but the ad,
ROSS DUFFER: you know, a David Fincher show,
ROSS DUFFER: a Jenji Kohan show and that was about it.
ROSS DUFFER: So, we were shocked that they,
ROSS DUFFER: uh, were interested in airing the show.
MATT DUFFER: But we, we, we accrued a good number of rejection.
BAKER MACHADO: Yes we did.
MATT DUFFER: So, we argue over how many,
MATT DUFFER: but I would say fifteen.
MATT DUFFER: Ah, fifteen companies turned us down before we wound up in Netflix.
BAKER MACHADO: Um, uh, I'm going to I want to ask you guys about who are you guys look
BAKER MACHADO: up to and some of your influences here in just a second but,
BAKER MACHADO: do you think a show like Stranger Things could do well on,
BAKER MACHADO: you know, in traditional regular broadcast network?
BAKER MACHADO: Or do you think the success of this show is really largely in part,
BAKER MACHADO: tied into the fact that,
BAKER MACHADO: it's a binge worthy show and it has to be on uh,
BAKER MACHADO: on a platform like a Netflix?
ROSS DUFFER: I don't know. The way we build the show and the way we
ROSS DUFFER: designed the writing of it was specific with more,
ROSS DUFFER: you being able to be binge in terms of having sort of ending
ROSS DUFFER: each chapter in this cliffhanger and It sort of propels you forward.
ROSS DUFFER: So, I certainly think it helped, it's hard,
ROSS DUFFER: it's hard to say [OVERLAPPING] but I know now,
ROSS DUFFER: I love bingieng show so.
ROSS DUFFER: You know, we, and we view it is one basically big movie and so,
ROSS DUFFER: to me, it makes,
ROSS DUFFER: it really is designed as a bingieng show. But.
MATT DUFFER: I, it's impossible now.
MATT DUFFER: I have, I have no idea.
MATT DUFFER: Um, but I, I, I love,
MATT DUFFER: I love how how Netflix works.
MATT DUFFER: I, I, I did, we're actually movie fans, like a group,
MATT DUFFER: not watching a lot of television and I didn't fall in love with television,
MATT DUFFER: until I was able to start bingieng.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, I did, I'm talking about
MATT DUFFER: old school bingeing which is just getting the DVDs in the mail,
MATT DUFFER: um, and, and turning them over as quickly as possible.
MATT DUFFER: You know, the [OVERLAPPING] 3D, original 3 DVD
MATT DUFFER: Netflix [NOISE] [OVERLAPPING] Um in college,
MATT DUFFER: I was doing 'The Wire' and 'Sopranos' and falling in love with some of the HBO shows,
MATT DUFFER: and um, and I fell in love with them,
MATT DUFFER: not in a traditional way but through, um, bingeing.
BAKER MACHADO: I was the same way. I was getting all the 'Sex and the City' DVD's all the time.
BAKER MACHADO: Thank god for Netflix and the DVD's back then.
BAKER MACHADO: Okay. What [LAUGHTER] do you guys, who do you guys influences?
BAKER MACHADO: Who are some of your favorite directors, writers,
BAKER MACHADO: that are out there,
BAKER MACHADO: that really have inspired you guys in terms, ah [NOISE] ,
BAKER MACHADO: your, how, you, how you guys have crafted this amazing world of Stranger Things?
ROSS DUFFER: Molly the two biggest star the, the two Steven's.
ROSS DUFFER: Which is Steven Spielberg and then,
ROSS DUFFER: Stephen King, I think.
ROSS DUFFER: In the, the show would certainly not exist without either them.
ROSS DUFFER: Um, when we're growing up.
ROSS DUFFER: Um, you know, they are iconic,
ROSS DUFFER: and their storytelling was really influential for us.
ROSS DUFFER: So, I think, when we conceived of the show, it was like, what if,
ROSS DUFFER: there was this long lost Steven King book that Spielberg directed?
ROSS DUFFER: And now, was sort of the,
ROSS DUFFER: that was the spark that led,uh, the Stranger Things.
MATT DUFFER: And then, I mean, we, I mean, we're big movie fan.
MATT DUFFER: I mean, Tim Burton was our first, uh,
MATT DUFFER: movie director,um, that we fell in love with.
MATT DUFFER: That's how we learned what a director did was through,
MATT DUFFER: the films of Tim Burton.
MATT DUFFER: And then, you know, more recently,
MATT DUFFER: I mean, we're David Fincher fanatics.
MATT DUFFER: Um, we're Peter Weller fanatics,
MATT DUFFER: Michael Mann, you know, um, obsess us.
MATT DUFFER: So, like, I mean, there are a lot of directors,
MATT DUFFER: not even Just in, not,
MATT DUFFER: who don't even specific we work in genre, um, we love.
BAKER MACHADO: All right. So we have,
BAKER MACHADO: ha- have time for one last question guys.
BAKER MACHADO: Halloween, of course has come out.
BAKER MACHADO: Stranger Things is coming out on Friday.
BAKER MACHADO: Everybody is figuring out what Halloween costumes they're going to be wearing?
BAKER MACHADO: So, if you guys could dress up as
BAKER MACHADO: one character from Stranger Things, for Halloween [OVERLAPPING].
BAKER MACHADO: Who are you going as?
BAKER MACHADO: And please say Barb [LAUGHTER].
MATT DUFFER: I don't know. I would probably do,
MATT DUFFER: I would probably do Dustin,
MATT DUFFER: because I'm lazy when it comes to dressing up and it's a very easy one to do.
MATT DUFFER: [OVERLAPPING] And I just get a little mop of curly hair and the, and a hat.
ROSS DUFFER: I probably be Jonathan,
ROSS DUFFER: because I won't even have to dress up, you know,
ROSS DUFFER: I will just fit right in to my East Los Angeles [LAUGHTER].
MATT DUFFER: We are very much like John,
MATT DUFFER: like Jonathan goes to a party this year,
MATT DUFFER: Halloween party in the season and he's,
MATT DUFFER: doesn't wear any costume at all,
MATT DUFFER: which is pretty much very accurate to what we do.
ROSS DUFFER: And it's true.
MATT DUFFER: Um, even when going to Halloween parties.
MATT DUFFER: So, we're, we're pretty,
MATT DUFFER: we're pretty pathetic on the costume part to be honest.
BAKER MACHADO: That's okay. That's all the fine. I saw.
BAKER MACHADO: I'm trying to figure mine out so,
BAKER MACHADO: I was just hoping for inspiration for what I was going to be doing.
BAKER MACHADO: [OVERLAPPING] Um, Matt, [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] Matt and Ross Duffer,
BAKER MACHADO: we're so excited for Friday.
BAKER MACHADO: The Stranger Things Two.
BAKER MACHADO: Premiere on Netflix.
BAKER MACHADO: Coming out on Friday night.
BAKER MACHADO: Um, I'm sure you guys were very nervous about Friday,
BAKER MACHADO: [NOISE] but it's going to be a huge success.
BAKER MACHADO: We're so excited that you got took time to join us today. Thank you.
ROSS DUFFER: Oh, thank you. It's fun.
MATT DUFFER: Thanks man.
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